Season 1 Podcast Episodes

Episode 6: How Social Issues Impact Your Organization

86% of customers expect organizations to be proactive and address social issues. That stat strikes fear deep into the hearts of 55% of CEOs. In this episode, Dora Lutz shares what you can do to meet your customer expectations without setting your organization up for failure.

  • Nikki: Hey, Gut + Science listeners. I am thrilled to have a Corporate Social Responsibility, ESG and Aspirational Business expert join Gut + Science to inspire us and equip us with the information and ideas we need to build a meaningful business around our mission and for our people. Introducing, my friend, Dora Lutz. Dora, take it away.


    Dora: Hey guys, Dora here. Have you noticed how many Netflix documentaries are out right now that talk about unethical business behavior as though it's something that we could have, or should have seen coming? Spoiler alert. We probably should have. I can think of the show on Abercrombie, Boeing, Fire Festival, Enron. At my last count (and, you know, I counted) there were over 30 episodes, but no, I haven't watched them all yet. Where things get really interesting for me is how similar the themes are regardless of the industry or the timeframe in which these corporate scandals happen.


    There are some common things that you hear from the people that they're interviewing. You hear them say things like, “well, I didn't think that my contribution would've made a difference either for good or for bad,” or, “well, we thought we'd fix it along the way,” or, “oh man, we had no idea how deep the issue ran,” or my favorite, “well, we didn't know our customers wanted something else.” And not only do we have the benefit of hindsight to see what happened with these organizations, but we are all living firsthand through a period of time where shifting expectations for our businesses, are front and center every day.


    Coming out of COVID working through the great reevaluation, we know that employees are looking for more from their employers. We know that consumers want businesses to be aligning with their values. And we know that communities are striking back if they do not like the businesses that are coming into their communities. It seems to me that a lot of leaders really now understand how employees want to engage in meaningful work. And, if you listen to my last episode, what that does for the bottom line. But sometimes business leaders are still hesitant to believe that customers are actually paying attention to their brand or that they're willing to make different purchasing decisions based on positive impact or even sustainability.
    So let's talk about the statistics that are out there about consumer behavior. 86% of customers expect a business to address social issues. I know that one strikes fear deep in the hearts of many CEOs, not only because you haven't necessarily been prepared for the best way to do that, but also because we really have to be careful in addressing social issues in a way that is extremely bipartisan. And while I know that feels impossible. It is not impossible. There are ways to make sure that you are taking a stand towards the social issues that are appropriate for your business while remaining nonpartisan.


    In addition to that, 80% of consumers say that they consider sustainability when they make their purchasing decision. So not only does it factor into what products or services they are going to buy, 70% of those individuals say that they will pay a premium for sustainable products.


    Now personally, I don't think that that premium is going to last forever. In fact, I think sustainability is going to become a basic expectation, almost a commodity. So I don't know that those premiums for sustainability are going to last for long, but we do know that consumers will continue to be making those purchasing decisions and so if we want to remain relevant, we have to be thinking about it now.


    Lastly, we know that investors value sustainability. After Tesla was booted from the S and P's ESG fund, its stock dropped 6% on the same day and it still has not recovered. But, I recognize, I know that engaging and understanding sustainability issues is still challenging for CEOs. So what can you do if you are committed to being a more ethical organization, but you're scared of creating controversy or divisiveness or greenwashing if that's part of your concern?


    Well, the good news is that there are easy steps you can take within your organization. And if you are working on an ESG strategy, they'll help you go further. If you are a small organization that is not thinking about ESG yet, they are still actionable steps that will help you begin moving towards this idea of social impact and sustainability without taxing your organization to do something that it is not prepared or able to to bring to life.


    So the first thing that you can do is review your sense of servanthood. Who is your organization seeking to serve and why?


    Secondly, if you set forth some goals for what that kind of impact would look like, how would you measure them? If somebody came to you and said, I don't think you're really doing X, Y, Z. How would you prove that you are doing good work in the world? And even if you're not ready to implement a plan, you can start benchmarking. You can create an environment where your employees can thrive. If you follow my content and have not yet completed a pay equity assessment, please stop everything you are doing and do that right now. Review your Glassdoor reviews, your indeed reviews, and listen to what people are telling you. And if there's something ugly that you don't like, you must address it. You can complete a net promoter score survey and ask people what they think of something that you have said, or a social issue that you have tiptoed into and listen to that feedback. More times than not the feedback is that the organization didn't do enough.

    Complete a risk management assessment. There are third parties you can find who will be able to help you understand the compliance issues within your organization. And not only do the assessment but take action.


    Lastly, tell the story of your efforts with candor and honesty. People are not expecting perfection, but they are expecting progress. I know that thinking about social impact is a new way of thinking for many, many of us. And in fact, even last month, a fellow business owner asked me, “I'm struggling with the idea that I should tell people about my corporate philanthropy. I don't want people to buy my product because I'm doing good work because that feels, that feels really manipulative to me. Can you help me change my perspective?” And at the end of the day, what I told him is people aren't going to buy your product if they don't want to.

    Our goal is to increase the perceived value of our product so that our customers prefer it. And so we are looking to increase what they understand and the way that they value our products. We seek to innovate more so that we can meet the needs of more individuals. And to increase the benefits that we are bringing to everybody in our ecosystem. It's not easy, but it's way better than ending up as a cautionary tale on Netflix.


    Oh, and one more thing you can probably tell by listening to these podcasts, that I am really passionate about the opportunity for business to make the world a better place.

    But for this work to really take root, we need everybody in our organization to understand how this work drives the bottom line, to think about ways that they can create impact regardless of their role within the organization, and to feel inspired and empowered, to think about their purpose and the way that they can make the world a better.


    To learn more about how I can get your team up to speed on the power of social impact or ESG visit giving-spring.com. I look forward to seeing you live.
    Nikki: We just left the world a little bit better. Now, go do something with that.

Episode 5: Benefits of a Sustainable Organization

96% of employees expect their organization to pursue a sustainability agenda - but HOW do we do that? Listen in as Dora Lutz shares insights about the way social impact creates meaningful work, and higher investor returns.

  • Benefits of a Sustainable Organization

    Nikki: Hey, Gut + Science listeners. I am thrilled to have a Corporate Social Responsibility, ESG and Aspirational Business expert join Gut + Science to inspire us and equip us with the information and ideas we need to build a meaningful business around our mission and for our people. Introducing, my friend, Dora Lutz. Dora, take it away.

    Dora: While I was participating in a podcast last month, the host dropped an absolute truth bomb. She said, “Sometimes I think that our purpose hits us really early on in our lives. We just don't necessarily know how we can incorporate that into our career too.” Man, I felt that. But I actually think it goes even deeper than a lack of understanding or permission that we are not sure how to incorporate purpose into our careers. I think that a lot of us, myself included, were brought up in the world thinking that finding a sense of purpose in our work was, at best, unrealistic and, at worst, self-indulgent.

    It made me think about the commercials that were playing on the super bowl in the year that I graduated. You might remember them. They were monster.com commercials where they had these cute little seven and eight-year-olds dressed up in hard hats or business suits. And they were sharing their dream that someday they would grow up to work in middle management. And these ads were really tongue in cheek because, on the one hand, they were reminding all of us what we had given up, the dreams that we had given up to go work in corporate America. And they were intending to offer us hope to remind us of what we had hoped for or aspired to as young children. Although I'm not sure it worked since at the end of the day, they were really just offering us the opportunity to apply at companies like Enron.

    And I would say that maybe over the two decades that followed business leaders evolved a little bit to realize that people didn't want to dream about working in middle management anymore. We had all of these darn millennials who were saying that they wanted to have a job that allowed them to make a difference in the world and make a living wage. But even that was met with a bit of skepticism. I can remember, even as recently, as five years ago, talking to CEOs who would say, “Yeah, yeah, Dora. I know that that's what people say millennials want, but I'm just not convinced.” And I’ll bet that there's at least one leader on this call who might have thought that they could just wait it out.

    But here we are now in 2022, millennials are not the generation we're talking about anymore. Now we're talking about gen Z, who we know are demanding meaningful work and fair pay. And not just that coming out of the pandemic and the great resignation, we know that people and employees of all generations are reevaluating what they want from the companies they work for and buy from. And they're willing to take action. Employees want to feel more valued by the leaders that they work for, or they will leave. Customers want values alignment from the companies that they support, or they will switch brands. And communities want to receive value from the businesses that they allow into their neighborhoods, or they will fight back.

    So most leaders at this point really do understand that employee preferences are driving a different tenor and a different need to create social impact. But I would bet that most of them are not aware of the depth by which people are saying that this is important to them.

    So I wanna talk today just about what employees are saying matters to them. A recent report came out and this statistic is stunning to me, 96% of employees say that they expect their organization to be pursuing a sustainability agenda. 96% of employees expect their organization to pursue a sustainability agenda. When we're talking about sustainability, we're not just talking about the environment. We're talking about all of the factors of the sustainable development goals, all the things that we need to do to be sustainable as a human race.

    90% of employees say that they would take a pay cut in order to have a meaningful job. That's pretty stunning in its own, right? If we're saying 90% of our employees because we know that 90% of our employee base is not just these darn millennials or these gen Zs that wanna change the world. 90% of our employees would take a cut. And that pay cut that they're willing to take is as high as 23% of their lifetime earnings. Almost a quarter of their lifetime earnings are less important to them than having the opportunity for meaningful work. Absolutely stunning.

    Now I am not suggesting that you should just start talking about purpose and begin reducing your pay. But I am suggesting that extending your company's mission and vision statement into the broader conversation about your impact on the world, whether it's a global goal or a local need, has an incredible opportunity to engage and retain your employees.

    Let me give you an example from a financial services company that I'm paying attention to. Now, this is not only a bank, but this is a bank located in South Dakota. And it's an organization called Meta Financial. And what I love about Meta Financial is that they have taken a traditional banking institution and they have shifted their mission statement, not only into something that clearly creates opportunity for everybody in their organization to innovate toward, but they have also aligned it with the sustainable development goals. Their mission statement is financial inclusion for all. The work that they are trying to do is to reduce poverty, provide opportunities for decent work and economic growth, and reduce inequality.

    Now. I don't know about you, but personally, I find a statement, “financial inclusion for all,” to be way more compelling than JP Morgan's, which is to be the best financial services company in the world, whatever that means or Wells Fargo's mission statement to satisfy their customers' financial needs and help them succeed financially, where they have clearly just left out the second half of that sentence, which says or indicates that they should do that using whatever dubious means, seem appropriate to their team. And the beauty of this work that Meta Financial has created in building a mission and value statement that connects to its larger social purpose is that it leaves so much room for creative thinking and innovation. You can look at what they're doing and just over the last few years, Meta Financial has figured out how to go deeper on their culture to increase diversity and equity through their hiring and promotion practices. They've increased their community engagement. They're using their federally mandated community reinvestment act dollars to do this work that supports their vision statement and to engage their employees by creating volunteering, opportunities. They have built a three-tiered line of defense program to ensure that everybody from the front lines to the boardroom is clear on what they need to be doing from an ethical decision-making standpoint and that they bring it to life.

    They've created new products and new services that focus on meeting the needs of individuals in existing underbanked communities. They're finding the people who have been disenfranchised from the system and figuring out how to solve their needs. And they've increased funding sources for environmental opportunities. Environmentally focused businesses. So they figured out what they've done, they found their model and they figured out how to support other industries with a financial bend. And the impact of their work shows. They have a 23% participation rate in their employee resource groups. They have an overall employee engagement score that's five points higher than existing benchmarks. And their diversity efforts are showing in the front line, although, in the interest of transparency, they've still got some work to do when it comes to senior leadership.

    And the beauty of all of this is that not only are these efforts showing within the work being done inside the organization, but it's curing favor with investors. In fact, Meta Financial’s returns outperformed JP Morgan and Wells Fargo by 20% over a two year time period. And that's the beauty of social impact and finding ways for people to engage deeply with the mission and the impact of our organization.

    It's not unrealistic and it's not self-indulgent in fact, when we do it right, we can make a difference for everybody in our ecosystem and we can drive profit.

    Oh, and one more thing you can probably tell by listening to these podcasts, that I am really passionate about the opportunity for business to make the world a better place. But for this work to really take root, we need everybody in our organization to understand how this work drives the bottom line, to think about ways that they can create impact regardless of their role within the organization, and to feel inspired and empowered, to think about their purpose and the way that they can make the world a better place.

    To learn more about how I can get your team up to speed on the power of social impact or ESG visit giving-spring.com. I look forward to seeing you live.

    Nikki: We just left the world a little bit better. Now, go do something with that.

Episode 4: ESG Impact on Small Business

ESG has gone mainstream. But how do small businesses make sense of social impact without breaking the bank? In this episode, Dora Lutz talks about the reasons social impact drives profit and how small businesses can leverage this work.

  • Dora Lutz - ESG Impact on Small Businesses
    Nikki: Hey Gut + Science listeners, I am thrilled to have a corporate social responsibility, ESG and aspirational business expert join Gut + Science to inspire us and equip us with the information and ideas we need to build a meaningful business around our mission and for our people. Introducing my friend, Dora Lutz. Dora, take it away.
    Dora: One question that comes up very frequently for me these days is whether or not ESG and social impact are actually going to be relevant for small businesses. And in fact, even last week, I received an email from a small business advisor, sharing his opinion that while he's convinced that the impacts of ESG are going to roll downhill, his words, not mine, he still wasn't actually convinced that any of this work was going to be able to increase revenue or decrease costs in any way that would make it to the bottom line. And I think that pretty much sums up the way most small business CEOs are thinking about this work. They recognize that ESG and social impact are becoming mainstream, so they can't ignore it, but they're still not convinced that these principles are actually meaningful in the grand scheme of everything else that they have to do.
    So, what I thought we should talk about in this session is what you can do if you're a small business that does not have ESG on your radar, but you're still feeling the pressure and you know that you need to be able to respond in some way when a customer or an employee asks you about your social impact strategy.
    So that's where the aspirational business model really begins to make sense because while this work can support ESG efforts, you don't have to be undertaking a huge environmental, social or governance effort in order for it to yield benefits. The aspirational business model really comes down to nothing more than thinking about each of your stakeholder groups, understanding what they need, and then taking time to figure out how your business can effectively meet those needs. It's business strategy 101, it's just housed in new terminology.
    When you think about your stakeholder groups and their needs, and you start to innovate, according to those needs, you will find that you're not only identifying new sources of revenue, but you're gonna begin thinking creatively about all of the ways you can decrease your cost. And here's why it works. There are four main reasons.
    The first reason that it makes a difference is because when we align to larger social issues, whether it's something happening in your local community or something, that's happening at a global level, using the sustainable development goals, we don't have to convince people that they need our product or service. We know that we are grounding our offerings in a pain point that already exists. So, all we have to do is come out and convince or demonstrate that our product and service is better than the solutions out there. We don't have to convince people that they have a need if we are grounding our work in already identified problems.
    The second thing this work does is it helps us spur innovation by setting a lofty vision for our team members and then getting out of the way and letting them get creative. When we tell our people what to do, they're gonna follow that to the letter of the law. But when we set a big vision and acknowledge that we don't have all the answers to get us there, they are going to find solutions that go beyond the limitations that we have as leaders. They're gonna find a path forward that we have probably never considered.
    The third thing this does is it allows all of our functional areas within our organization to align towards something really big and really exciting when we give people a clear goal and we allow them to figure out how to get there, they are going to use the tools and the resources and the influence within their sphere of control at a level that we as leaders probably don't have daily insight into.
    The last thing this work does is it creates excitement about the possibility of our business and the opportunities we're giving people for meaningful work.
    Now I hear all the time from small business leaders who might say, “Hey, Dora, we are manufacturing, widgets. It's not really all that exciting. And I don't think people are gonna get enthusiastic about it.” And I can guarantee you that if you show up with that kind of attitude, that is what people are going to pick up on. But it's one thing to show up and say, “Hey man, we're manufacturing, widgets, and people aren't excited about that.” And it's totally different to say, “We are manufacturing widgets in a way that allows us to create economic opportunity for our employees,” or “We are creating widgets in a way that allows us to contribute to sustainable manufacturing processes.” There are a million ways for us to think bigger as leaders and allow ourselves creativity and allow ourselves to engage others through something that feels exciting.
    When we start talking about social impact, we can make these concepts as big and robust and aspirational as we want them to be, but we can also make them powerful and achievable and realistic within the scope of the businesses that we have.
    The beauty of the aspirational business model is that it pulls on the things that businesses already do well. It allows us to set a sense of servanthood to know who we are serving and why. It allows us to think about the impact or the goal that we want and to set measurable targets to hold ourselves and our organizations accountable. It allows us to connect meaningfully and ensure that everybody in our ecosystem, employees and consumers, and communities, that we are providing opportunities for them to thrive. It means that we are holding ourselves to the highest standard of ethical behavior and that we are telling the story of the good work that is happening within our organization, to the people that want to know. It allows us to leverage the functional areas in our business that already exists. We can ground it in local goals, in global goals. We can use internal standards or external standards. We can use our existing strategic entrepreneurial ecosystem frameworks, and we can use ESG frameworks.
    We get to build it.
    But what we can't ignore anymore is that social impact is the expectation of our business. But it's up to us to define how we do it.
    Oh, and one more thing you can probably tell by listening to these podcasts, that I am really passionate about the opportunity for business to make the world a better place, but for this work to really take root, we need everybody in our organization to understand how this work drives the bottom line, to think about ways that they can create impact, regardless of their role within the organization, and to feel inspired and empowered to think about their purpose and the way that they can make the world a better place. To learn more about how I can get your team up to speed on the power of social impact or ESG. Visit giving-spring.com I look forward to seeing you live.
    Nikki: We just left the world a little bit better. Now. Go do something with it.

Episode 3: Incorporating ESG into Your Existing Strategy

One thing that became abundantly clear during the pandemic is how closely integrated our businesses and our communities are, which provides a clear and compelling reason for leaders to be thinking about their role in creating a better world. Most people already understand that, and so the issue is often not whether they SHOULD be doing this work, but HOW to do it - and what NOT to do.

  • Description text goes hereDora Lutz Eps 3: Incorporating ESG into Your Existing Strategy

    Nikki: Hey Gut + Science listeners, I am thrilled to have a corporate social responsibility, ESG and aspirational business expert join Gut + Science to inspire us and equip us with the information and ideas we need to build a meaningful business around our mission and for our people. Introducing my friend, Dora Lutz. Dora, take it away.

    Dora: Hey everybody, Dora here. One thing that became abundantly clear during the pandemic is how closely tied our communities and our businesses really are. As leaders scrambled to understand what was best for their employees, what their consumers needed, and how their communities were responding, they realized firsthand that considering the health of everybody in their ecosystem, wasn't just the right thing to do, but it was the only way to maintain the health of their business.

    Seemingly overnight. The questions that I had from business leaders shifted from asking whether or not they should be thinking about their stakeholders to, instead, asking questions about how they manage their stakeholders, how do they do it well, and what are the watch-outs?

    So if your organization has been creating ESG strategies for years, or you are just now coming to the table to think about how you can become an aspirational business, here are four things that you can pay attention to that will allow you to ensure you are creating social impact in a way that also generates profitability for your organization.

    The first thing that you should be thinking about is grounding your WHY in social impact. Use the sustainable development goals (often known as the SDGs). The SDGs or sustainable development goals are a wonderful way to align your work to a broader conversation. The SDGs are essentially 17 things that the United Nations came up with in 2016 that create a framework for us to think about all of the work that needs to be done for us to continue to exist as a human race.

    I think they're brilliant. Not only because all 193 member nations ratified them, but also because they go beyond our sense of climate action and they include things like good health and nutrition, responsible consumption and production, and cross-sector partnerships. They give us an opportunity to understand what we are doing and use common language that we can shift and jump beyond the day-to-day conversations of business strategy to really go deep with the why of our organization quickly and easily.

    Once you've grounded your WHY in social impact, the second thing that you can do is start to dive deeper into HOW you're creating social impact. And this is where ESG metrics really come in. ESG metrics stand for the ways that you are creating environmental, social and governance strategies within your organization and not all metrics are relevant for every industry.

    So for instance, if you are in a tech company, water usage probably is not going to be your number one metric, that's going to demonstrate success. But if you're in the water industry, you may care less about privacy insights and privacy data. So understanding which targets and which metrics are relevant for your industry is really an important step.

    Once you know that, then you can decide what type of framework you want to use. If you are a U.S.-focused company, SASB (or the Sustainability Accounting Standards Board) is a great resource. But if you're operating in global markets, you probably want to look at GRI (or the Global Reporting Indices) to ensure that your targets are relevant across the globe.

    So, first, you're going to think about your WHY and ground that in a broader conversation around sustainable development goals, then you start to think about HOW you bring that to life by creating strategies that are measurable using existing standards. The third thing that you can do is identify partners that have shared interests.

    If you are using the language of sustainable development goals and consistent impact metrics, you can find the individuals who are having the same conversations. It's hiding in plain sight. You can find it in press releases, investor calls, annual reports, ESG documentation. There are ways to find this information and they are as simple as listening to the news and clicking in to the same keywords that are important to your organization.

    So you're going to ground your WHY in your social impact. You're going to develop your HOW with your ESG metrics. You are going to find your partners who care about the same things that you do. And lastly, you are going to bring in your people to define what resources and skills and talents you have within your organization to drive change.

    You have people within your organization who care about your WHY and care about creating a positive impact. Invite them into the conversation. Allow them to participate by sharing their insights, their expertise, and thinking creatively about how they can drive this work forward from wherever they sit in the organization.

    Post-pandemic, we really see for the first time how closely integrated the health of our communities and the health of our businesses are. And while thinking about social impact or stakeholder management might feel new for a lot of us, it's really not. Most of us as business leaders have been thinking about the health of our employees and our customers and our partners and suppliers the whole time, we just haven't been doing it consistently with a framework that's proven to create the kind of impact that we want and profit for our organizations.

    Nikki: We just left the world a little bit better. Now, go do something with it.

Episode 2: How ESG Drives Profit

It’s a simple fact, organizations that do good work in their communities outperform. In this episode, Dora Lutz discusses the mechanisms that help organizations increase revenue and decrease costs while creating value and benefit for shareholders and stakeholders.

  • Nikki: Hey Gut + Science listeners, I am thrilled to have a corporate social responsibility, ESG and aspirational business expert join Gut + Science to inspire us and equip us with the information and ideas we need to build a meaningful business around our mission and for our people. Introducing my friend, Dora Lutz. Dora, take it away.

    Dora: Hey everybody, Dora here. If you've ever heard me talk about my history with corporate social responsibility, aspirational businesses and ESG, then you will know that I am really driven to understand exactly why it is that organizations that do good work in their communities generally outperform. I want to know what are the mechanisms that help these organizations increase revenue and decrease costs?

    If you've ever heard me talk about this, then you know that I have a unique passion for this topic that has driven me to spend years researching this. And if you've heard me talk about it, you probably also know that a big part of my story has to do with my father. I consider my dad to be the smartest person I know. He earned his MBA at the University of Chicago. He taught project management classes for fun. He has spent his career building revolutionary technologies and the man owns 17 patents. He's brilliant and he's curious, and I'm so fortunate because he will take my calls late at night when I'm sitting around trying to really understand why is this working the way that it is. But what's fascinating is not just that we have this shared curiosity, but that we see the world so different because we were brought up with different concepts of what it meant to be an ethical and effective business leader.

    My dad went to the University of Chicago back in the early eighties, which means he trained under Milton Freeman, and Milton Friedman, as you probably know, is the father of shareholder value. He is the one who came up with the realization that businesses should only be operating in the interest of the people who have invested in it, their shareholders. And this theory, which ultimately came to be known as Shareholder Theory, was the prevailing wisdom for generations of business leaders coming out of MBA schools across the country.

    Now, the reason that shareholder value took root, was for a few reasons in my mind. First off, he used some inflammatory language. Socialism, that in the seventies and eighties, nobody wanted even be closely associated with. And so this inflammatory language made it really easy to douse any skepticism or opposing voices. The other thing is if I'm a business leader and suddenly I learned that the only thing I have to do is manage one group of individuals, my shareholders, and I don't necessarily have to be worrying about my consumers and my customers and my employees and my communities…Well, heck that is way easier, sign me up!

    It's true that managing and creating value for our shareholders is critically important to our business. I believe in the importance of shareholder value, but if shareholders become the only thing that we're concerned about, it limits our ability to think creatively about how we are going to innovate to increase revenue and how we are going to build relationships that keep our cost structures down.

    This concept is now called stakeholder management. So we're not just thinking about our shareholders. We're thinking about all of our stakeholders so that we are creating mutual benefits for everyone. If we're considering only our shareholders, we're missing a huge piece of the puzzle. We're missing the opportunity to create solutions that meet the needs of our employees and increase our ability to recruit and retain our number one asset, our workforce. If we're only thinking about shareholders, we're not considering the values and expectations of our consumers, especially as they shift, which means we're limiting our ability to look at new solutions, think about new products, access new markets, and figure out how we generate revenue by bringing good products and services into the world.

    If we're only thinking about our shareholders, we're not considering the entire ecosystem with which our partners and suppliers operate. It means we're missing the opportunity to think about gaps and the long-term needs that are risks to our supplier chain. If we're only thinking about our shareholders, then we're missing the challenges and strengths that our communities are creating that impact our business, whether it's our ability to access a long-term workforce, whether it's the infrastructure that we need to run our businesses, or it's simply our ability to operate in a community that wants us there.

    I think in the seventies, business leaders heard “shareholder value” and they accidentally heard, “only shareholder value,” when in fact shareholder value is driven by creating value for all of our stakeholders. It's taken 50 years, but now we see that businesses understand that by considering the needs of all of their stakeholders, they can increase revenue and they can decrease the costs. And the organizations that have been doing this for the last 50 years, they were doing this all along.

    So, this is where ESG is helpful in thinking about the way that our businesses are increasing revenue and decreasing costs. ESG, environmental, social, and governance strategies are simply a framework for us as leaders to think about the impact that we are creating across our ecosystem. It gives us an opportunity to look for advantages and to decrease our risks.

    So when it comes to social impact or your shareholders or your stakeholders, the reality is we don't have to choose between them at the end of the day, what benefits one will benefit the other. We just have to be willing to shift our mindset away from the status quo.

    Nikki: We just left the world a little bit better. Now, go do something with that.

Episode 1: What is ESG, Anyway?

In this mini-episode, you’ll learn:

  • What is ESG?

  • Why you should care about ESG

  • What you should be thinking about to make sure that your organization is set up for success

  • 5 basic questions for business leaders who are just starting to consider ESG within their organizational strategy

  • What is ESG Anyway?

    Nikki: Hey, Gut + Science listeners. I am thrilled to have a Corporate Social Responsibility, ESG and Aspirational Business expert join Gut + Science to inspire us and equip us with the information and ideas we need to build a meaningful business around our mission and for our people. Introducing, my friend, Dora Lutz. Dora, take it away.

    Dora: Hey everyone, Dora here. It's been an interesting few weeks because I've been getting calls every day from business leaders, trying to wrap their heads around what ESG strategy really means, how they should be doing it and whether or not it's right for their business. In fact, one CEO called and said, “Dora, I am seeing ESG in every article I pick up and every webinar I attend. And I know that eventually a customer or investor are going to ask me for my plan and I'd rather not be sitting here with a stupid look on my face.” And then a week later, another business investor, blessedly, and candidly asked me, “Dora, how do I know that this is not just all a bunch of woke bullshit?” I love both of these examples because I really think it speaks to the variety of experiences that business leaders are trying to have as this changing landscape of ESG emerges.

    So many of us are trying to understand, “What does ESG stand for?”, which it stands for environmental, social and governance strategies, if this is new to you, you may be asking:

    How do I understand what the heck it is?

    How do I know if my organization is ready?

    And if it is, how do I build a strategy that's actually meaningful for all of the stakeholders around my business and also increases value for the people who have invested in me.

    So, if you are struggling with these issues, first off, you should know that you are not alone. In fact, 71% of CEOs know that they are now being tasked with the challenge of addressing social issues from where they sit inside a for-profit organization, but more than half also admit that they're not really prepared to meet this challenge in a way that they're comfortable. And I would venture to guess that even more than 55% probably get a pit in the bottom of their stomach. When they start thinking about how they're supposed to address social issues while they lead their organization.

    So that's what I want to talk about today. Whether you've been thinking about ESG for years, or this conversation is something that's new on your radar, let's talk about what it is, why you should care and what you should be thinking about to make sure that your organization is set up for success.

    First let's talk about what ESG even is:

    In reality, ESG is nothing more than a framework to help you think about your role in society through three primary factors. How do you think about environmental issues? That's the E. How are you addressing social issues within your community? That's the S. And how are you operating ethically with good governance? And that's the G.

    Now this framework has been around for quite a while, but the reason that people are hearing so much about it and why it's gathering so much steam is because ESG investment now represents a $20 trillion market. And this market is growing at 17% per year. So that means that there are a lot of people with a lot of money who are betting on the fact that businesses are going to be expected to operate in the interest of people, profit and planet for the long term.

    So you should care about ESG if you are in a position where you need to be thinking about capital, if you're either going to be seeking out new investors, or if you were a publicly traded company, understanding that there are mutual funds and ETFs individual investors in venture capital firms, impact investors, all of whom are asking the question, “Are you going to be able to return financial return to me? And are you going to be able to do so in a way that generates a positive impact on the planet, on your community or really everybody in your ecosystem?”

    So it matters if you need money. It also matters if you're not necessarily looking for outside investment, because when you are engaging in ESG, if you do it properly and you are thinking about long-term environmental risks, you're taking proactive action to support your employees and communities. And you're aligning your values towards the things that your customers care about. You are going to drive revenue and you are going to increase your margins. There is data that shows that you will become more profitable if you do this work properly.

    In other words, as you think about each of the pillars of ESG, environmental impact, addressing social issues and your own organizational governance, you are going to be able to find ways to access new funds and you are going to uncover greater profit, but here's the catch which you probably knew was coming. Your ESG strategy will fail if your organization isn't ready to bring it to life. You can't have a fancy strategy that just sits on a desk, even if it's 80 pages.

    As in the rest of business, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

    Now this is good news for business leaders who are just starting to consider ESG within their organizational strategy, because it levels the playing field to five basic questions.

    Question one: Do you have a sense of servanthood? Do you know who you're supporting and why?

    Question two: Do you have a plan to measure your environmental, social and ethical activities?

    Question three: Have you built a culture where you are connecting meaningfully to your employees?

    Question four: Are the people throughout your organization aware of the expectations for ethical behavior and are they incentivized to do the right thing?

    Question Five: Do you know how to tell the story of the good work that's being done in those first four questions so that the people who care can feel connected to the good work that you are doing?

    In short ESG is an incredible opportunity and incredible opportunity for any business leader who wants to create a positive impact for the world and wants to do it using for-profit business models. But for ESG to really create the kind of impact that is going to create benefit to your investors and everybody in your ecosystem, your organization has to have the cultures, competency, and behaviors to bring your strategy to life.

    Nikki: We just left the world a little bit better. Now, go do something with that.

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